Dr. David Lorenzen explores if Kabir should be considered to be a Vaishnava, a follower of a tradition that associates the Divine with Vishnu. The article argues that even though Kabir uses predominantly Vaishnava terminology for the Divine he disregards the incarnations of Vishnu and points to a nirguni (without quality/mark/form) Supreme God - all of which pushes him outside of the boundaries of the Vaishnava tradition. Despite Kabir's original intentions, Dr. Lorenzen concludes that more recently: "Kabir has been incorporated into a capacious and diverse but largely conservative Vaishnava and Hindu religion. Unlike the Sikhs, Kabir’s followers have not attempted to break away from an identification with traditional Vaishnava and Hindu religion." You can read the article here: [[Kabir and the Avatars David Lorenzen.pdf]] A painting of Kabir, produced in 1825: ![[Kabir004.jpg]]